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a response to a reply of another post that i didn't want buried...
Published on March 19, 2004 By Sean Conners aka SConn1 In Politics
the following was a response to a poster (annon) who was parroting the Bush claims about Kerry's plan...

The "small business thing" is a good spin...guys who like own 15 car dealerships are considerd small business owners...the plan calls for a repeal of cuts for the richest 1 or 2 % amongst us to pay for some things that millions more need...like some basic health care coverage like every other civillized country in the world has.

and the whole idea that there was some "cash flow shortage" in the investor class, those 1-2% ers is a lie. Fact is that there was never any shortfall of cash in the investor class. all these tax cuts do is give them more to squirrel away or put into stocks and real estate.

Tax cuts to the middle class, however, do spur on real economic and job growth. That is what Kerry has proposed. Real relief for all Americans instead of the rich getting richer and the poor once again "getting the picture."

And productivity gains without job growth for over 3 solid years is just the working man doing more work for less pay and benefits. Again, the owners and the wealthy are the only real beneficiaries.


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on Mar 19, 2004
I hope that Kerry wins and can get it through congress. The job market isn't very good where we live.
on Mar 19, 2004
i hear ya sherye,,,it doesn't look too good in too many places these days....thanks for your comments:)
on Mar 19, 2004
Everybody who pays taxes got a tax break. Kerry is going to raise taxes on people who make over $200,000. That is small business owners. Clinton raised taxes on the rich and where is that health care that democrats promise every election? Democrats have used the healthcare issue in every election and they never do anything about it. Nothing John Kerry proposes is going to create a single job.

The tax cuts are the reason the economy is growing strong. Democrats can cry and whine all they want about the "evil rich", but the fact is the "tax cuts for the rich" is the reason the economy bounced back. There are plenty of jobs out there for people who want them. Jobs are being created every month and it's predicted to increase. It's not the governments responsibility to find a job for you, get up and find it yourself. There are plenty out there. Democrats continue to use the "you are too stupid, so let the government do it for you" line.

Thats all we need...higher taxes and a terrorist appeaser.
on Mar 20, 2004
deep...troll somewhere else please,,,it amazes me how the right just lies and lies....then they call themselves good christians...ugh.
on Mar 20, 2004
Finally some breath of fresh air. Letting big business operate overseas in tax havens is something Kerry needs to focus on as well. The average joe is getting cheated in numerous ways these days.

The tax cuts are the reason the economy is growing strong. Democrats can cry and whine all they want about the "evil rich", but the fact is the "tax cuts for the rich" is the reason the economy bounced back. There are plenty of jobs out there for people who want them. Jobs are being created every month and it's predicted to increase. It's not the governments responsibility to find a job for you, get up and find it yourself. There are plenty out there. Democrats continue to use the "you are too stupid, so let the government do it for you" line.


There have been 2.1 million jobs lost since Bush became president with few being added. They promised 2.6 million jobs before the end of this year but even the White house is having trouble talking about it. Statistically it still looks grim. In actuality, 8.2 million people are unemployed. Bush has the worst employment record since Herbert Hoover. The economy is growing slowly but the job market is terrible. Outsourcing is another huge blow to white collar tech jobs. In some states like Winsconsin 84,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost during Bush's presidency. In Ohio at least 163,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost. I don't like whining either but they have a very good reason to do so.
on Mar 20, 2004
thanks for the comments psychx...appreciate it:)
on Mar 20, 2004
"deep...troll somewhere else please,,,it amazes me how the right just lies and lies....then they call themselves good christians...ugh."

There were no lies told. Also I never said I was a christian. That is the assumption you lefties make about everybody who corrects you. Thats the usual response from from a democrat. Cover you ears and pretend you can't hear the opposition. It's actually funny when a democrat accuses a Republican of lying, when the democrats whole campaign is based on lies and factless allegations.

"Finally some breath of fresh air. Letting big business operate overseas in tax havens is something Kerry needs to focus on as well. The average joe is getting cheated in numerous ways these days."

"Big Business" has operated like that for many years. It never became an "issue" until a Republican comes into office. Corporate corruption and things like that were going on right under the nose of the democratic administrtation, but just like terrorism it was ignored.

"here have been 2.1 million jobs lost since Bush became president with few being added. They promised 2.6 million jobs before the end of this year but even the White house is having trouble talking about it. Statistically it still looks grim. In actuality, 8.2 million people are unemployed. Bush has the worst employment record since Herbert Hoover."

Did you copy that directly from the DNC or Kerry website? Actually the statistics are looking great. The facts show differently than what democrats try to pass to the American public. Democrats are never really good at facts or statistics.

The economy is recovering at record paces. A great achievement since the economy started to weaken way before Bush took office. I know if you only read the myths the democratic party puts out there, you might believe the world is coming to an end, and the every person is unemployed, but it's just not true. It's just the usual democrats attempt at scaring people to get their votes. The unemployment rate is low. At least the media proclaimed it was low when the same rate was under clinton, now that the rate is under a Republican president it's terribly high. There's that liberal media again.

America see's how the democrats use fear to try and win an election. It's not going to work this time.





on Mar 20, 2004
whatever deep...
on Mar 20, 2004
Of course whatever.
on Mar 21, 2004
lol
on Mar 21, 2004
That is small business owners


It all depends on how large you classify small business owners. I know Veeps of major corporations that make less than 200k a year.

Cheers
on Mar 21, 2004
Were Kerry to concentrate on outsourcing and overseas businesses having tax havens, he'd have to deal with his own wife's 57 overseas operations. Bush would have to deal with his own veep, up for indictment for bribery by France for illegal business dealings in Africa. Sorry, Republicrats won't be doing anything but maintaining the status quo, ratcheting down American wages to the slave level of the rest of the earth as the agenda dictates.

Fools will mouth that Bush is a fiscal Conservative and Kerry is a big spending liberal, the same levers will get pulled and the charade will go on. I won't be blamed though, because I will not enable them by voting for either Republicrat, locally or nationally. (This is why Democrats can't address the health-care I note, as it is a Republican controlled Senate.)
on Mar 21, 2004
Did you copy that directly from the DNC or Kerry website? Actually the statistics are looking great. The facts show differently than what democrats try to pass to the American public. Democrats are never really good at facts or statistics.


Actually the U.S. Department of Labor is where I read this info. Is that a left wing website deep? Also I found it odd that you referred to lies when talking about democrats. I merely stated facts.
on Mar 21, 2004
"It all depends on how large you classify small business owners. I know Veeps of major corporations that make less than 200k a year."

And I know people who don't own businesses and are not "veeps" that make over $200,000 a year. The fact is.....Kerry is going to raise taxes.

"Republicrats won't be doing anything but maintaining the status quo, ratcheting down American wages to the slave level of the rest of the earth as the agenda dictates"

Slave level? You guys just can't get enough rhetoric posted. That is just too stupid even to address.

"Actually the U.S. Department of Labor is where I read this info"

I can show data that shows over 2.4 million job created. Bush is in no way responsible for any job loss just like clinton was not responsible for any so-called increase in jobs. But let Kerry keep focusing of the low unemployment rate, he's just making it better for us. When I was referring to "lies". It's the usual lies that come from the DNC, like the Bush was awol lie, and all the others that come from the DNC.

on Mar 21, 2004
that is true jeb,,,the "small business owner" has become a misleading cliche used in bush stump speeches. like i said, a guy can own 15 car dealerships, be a multi-millionaire and bush is coddling him like he is running a general store. bush wants us to twist "small business owners" and lump them down with a group more properly referred to as "cottage industries." cottage industries are those little mom and pop type operations and little businesses run out of the home.

think about it,,,when bush says "small business owners" who do you think of? mom and pop running their country store or the multimillionaire with the chain of dealerships, or resturaunts or gas stations, etc, etc,,,?

Kerry's repealing of the taxes for the richest 2% of us is a far cry from punishing "mom and pop" making 30 grand a year in their country store. this repeal is about income level, not job descriptions.
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