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With a little over 7 months to go until the general election, the next major task ahead seems to be about the "V.P." nominee. Indeed, with the recent polling showing 95% of both parties "likely" voters with their minds made up already, a few campaign ads or stump speeches are not going to swing too many people either way.

Another telling sign that people are not changing their minds much is found on an AOL "non scientific" poll, which showed out of almost 300,000 respondants, that 87% had not changed their minds on the subject of the war in the last year. Although this poll was not a scientific one, such as a gallup poll, It does accurately reflect the mood of the country. That same poll showed almost an even split, just as most polls do, about the question of whether or not invading Iraq was worth it.

One thing that has become very evident, regardless of where one perches themselves upon the political fence, is that everyone who has an opinion is very staunch in that belief. Whether we support the President, or we want change in John Kerry, we all are sure we are right. The polarization of our nation's politics has reached a point of stalemate. It is evident that the large pool of swing voters that have influenced traditional campaigns in the past is drying up.

Ask a republican supporter about he war and he'll express his or her beliefs about how righteous we are, no matter what. Ask ademocrat the same thing and you'll get a more complex answer about right and wrong and everything in between. Both sides will be able to cite good examples and provide evidence that at least from their perspective is credible. Both sides will easily defeat the "straw man" arguements that they put up on the other side, undoubtedly showing why they are in the right on the war issues. And both sides may well be.

I've spent countless hours debating, arguing and sometimes flaming people whom I have believed to be on the wrong side of the issues. Just for clarity sake...I was one of those people on the "left." And I will tell you, I still am. But over the course of debating point by point every detail of goverment, domestic and foreign policy and every other issue from Mars to nipples something is becoming clear to me. And I hope i'm not the only one.

Traditionally, I have always been a "balance of power" guy. Even though my personal beliefs have led me to vote more left than right over the years, deep down, I always understood the certain "goodness" of checks and balances. But in the last several years, that is the one belief I have held that now I realize has slipped away. And I think it has lost touch with many others too. Regardless of where we sit on the political fence, we need to all get back to our check and balance system.

Throughout the 90's, we shifted power "both ways" so to speak. The democrats got back in the White House with Clinton and Congress shifted right throughout the decade. When I would debate anything back then with someone who was not as enamored with Bill as I was, we would both be able to make points on why we were right on a particular issue. If we liked something, our side got the credit, if we didn't, It was the other sides "power hold" that was to blame. It worked out well as no one could ever win an arguement and both parties would be forced to "agree to disagree."

Then, as the Monicagate scandal heated up, democrats got resentful and republicans saw an opportunity to "finally win the arguement." Before that, any criticizm of the president was taken with a little smile and such. Of course, no one laughed as much as fellow democrats when Phil Hartman would do his spoofs on the president and his like of the ladies. But when that shortcoming became the focal point of the right's desire to actually impeach and remove the President from office, everything changed.

We all remember the debate. the leftie would say something like " what a waste of time and money to go after the president over a bj." Then the republican would retort that it wasn't about that and that it was about perjury. Back and forth we would go, neither side giving an inch. In the end, neither side won the arguement. The republicans thought they got what they wanted in an impeachment. Then they got hist with the reality that impeachment didn't necesarily mean resignation as the threat of it had with Nixon. So Clinton once again survived the republican assault.

But the democrats didn't win either, even tho Clinton had survived and remained in office. Ever since then the left has been pickled with underhanded comments about Clinton every time any issue of politics come up. Left leaning debaters know well the republican tactic of bringing up Clinton in just about every discussion as a negative factor. Some even go as far as to call him a criminal and so forth.

Then the 2000 election happened and all hell broke loose.

The Florida "debacle" ensured that we could only get more divided on the political fronts. Most who are reading this know what happened, so no rehash is necessary. But in the end, what democrats saw was a candidate who we already knew had 500,000 fewer votes nationally, who campaigned on "states rights" issues, and the controversy was in the state where his brother was basically king. To every democrat and person who voted for AL Gore, all they saw was an inside deal happening with their election. Regardless of the reality, that was the perception. And to boot, they saw it as hypocritical for them to use a conservative leaning, federal court to over rule a state court when he had campaigned on states rights.

Republicans saw 1 declaration of victory for the state to go to the GOP and they insisted on sticking with that. Any attempt by the DNC to reverse that decision through recounts or any legal maneuver was marketed as a "political stunt" to steal what was rightfully the republicans. All the republicans were doing in the minds of their supporters was blocking the democrats from taking away what they had won, fair and square.

So, the country wedged further apart. At the beginning of the Bush presidency, we were an extremely divided nation. Then 9/11 happened and we all did what we knew we had to do, pull together. Indeed, those of us (and there were millions of us) who didn't vote for Bush (and that includes Nader supporters as well) were forced to swallow our pride and actually acknowledge that he was the president. Or, if they couldn't do that, at least acknowledge that he was the guy doing the job and needed us to pipe down and come together. So, we did.

And to his credit, Bush did what we expected of the president. He did exactly what we would have done. Mourn, sincerely, then go get the bastards who did it. The invasion of Afghanastan was supported by a mandate from the people that no president has enjoyed since FDR. But let's be honest here, Bush did what any president would have done. If Gore was President, If Clinton was Presidnent, they would have done the same thing.

But after we had successfully occupied Afghanastan and kicked the taliban out of power, things went back to the way they were. It's kind of like a married couple on the verge of a divorce when tradgedy strikes. For a short time, the couple can put aside their differences, but after the crisis has been averted or overcome, they go back to their squabbling as the problems are more often than not, still there.

That is not to suggest that we are anywhere near being out of the woods on the war on terrorism, but after we had done the bulk of the work in Afghanastan, many Americans were able to take a collective "deep breath."

The 2002 election was the rekinding of the arguement. The republicans, at least in democrat's minds, were launching an unscrupulous assault on guys like Max Cleeland and Paul Wellstone and anyone who didn't side with the president on each and every vote or policy decision.

The republicans saw it as taking care of the last piece of the puzzle so they could "finally get some things done" without those pesky democrats causing trouble. After the election, the president knew he had enough votes to be unopposed, essentially in taking America to war to finally finish off Saddam Hussein. The democrats had become a cornered cat and republicans were now the big dog in their way of being out of the corner.

Now we stand here before the 2004 election more polarized than ever. The last decade or so has made each of us more staunch in their beliefs than they were 10 years ago, sure that the other side is wrong annd in some cases just downright unamerican. But is the other side of the fence as bad as each of us make them out to be? Probably, but then again, probably not.

I've learned over the years in debates that the "gotcha" game is one of the most used and effective tools in these debates. The scanario is this...one person expresses support for an individul or policy. In this case, let's say it's a person. You can choose anyone who you like, it really doesn't matter. Whomever you choose will be able to be "gotcha'd" most likely. Anyone who is a public figure has either a voting record or business record and associations with other people around the world with various records and their own associations and so on. Inevitably, an opponent is going to be able to tie that person in with either a past event which seemingly contradicts. Or another person whom is viewed as a negative either by who they are or their support for something or someone. It is the "6 degree of seperation" thing gone wild.

Face it. There is no one who is been in the public eye for any length of time anywhere who you can't do this to. It doesn't matter who the person is, what they say or what they do. Republicans are currently the biggest purveyors of this method, with each GOP ad citing a John Kerry vote as proof positive of his wrongness. But at this point, aside from minor shifts in the electorate, I don't see these ads or tactics going very far for the right.

What they don't seem to understand or be willing to acknowledge is the past events that have gotten us to this point. To republicans, they justifiably attempted to remove an immoral president for perjury and proved their case. They won the 2000 election fair and square. It was their right to obtain a majority in the senate so they could go about their business more efficiently. If it wasn't for President Bush, we'd all be learning the Koran now and getting used to conversing in arabic. They also have their own views on domestic issues, butsince we have been talking foreing policy , we'll limit this to that scope.

But to democrats it is a much different picture, and every bit as real as the republican's viewpoint. Democrats see a president who survived a ruthless assault from the power seizing right. THey see the stealing of the 2000 election in an unscrupulous and hypocritical manner. They see assaults from the right against good americans who happen to disagree with certain policies. They can envision a world where Al Gore invaded Afghanastan and then instead of invading Iraq, continued political and covert pressures on him while we went after what we saw as the root causes of terror. And again, they have a domestic picture which is very unlike anything the republicans have drawn over the last few years.

When one steps back from the discourse, it becomes easier to see both sides more plainly. No, that won't swing me right, or would it swing someone in the GOP more left. But what it may do is put a lid on what has become a ridiculous arguement on foreign policy between the 2 sides. For too long now, all both sides have done have played gotcha games with past decisions and curent viewpoints. About 90% of it has centered on Iraq and WMD's and whether or not we should have gone, if they exist, etc, etc...

Well folks,,,the arguement is over. NO, Saddam didn't have the stockpiles just about everyone claimed he did Whether or not a single vial of any WMD exists is still a question worth asking, but as far as the big quantities promised, we were wrong. But the debate continues regardless...and it's getting to the point of stupid...

Both sides attheis point seem to want to stock their whole belief system on every single issue. That is why we keep arguing over things agin and again. Both sides seem to individually percieve that if they give in on anything, if they show a "chink" in their armour, then the other side will run rickshaw over their views.

If a republican supporter of the president admits we were wrong on WMD's, then they feel they must give in on the decision to go to war...then the rest crumbles, like support for the patriot act and so on,,,it trickles into domestic policy and the GOP supporter knows that liberal pinko can then claim that they are wrong about al of that too.

If a supporter of Kerry's gives in on being right about invading Iraq despite the being wrong on a lot of points...then the floodgates open up in their minds as well. They feel by giving Bush any credit means "allowing" him to get re-elected. And in their minds, he didn't get elected the 1st time.

What they don't understand about those people who support Kerry is that they see Kerry as a change. They simply do not want to give George an inch and want to ensure his defeat in November. Any reference to a past Kerry vote simply doesn't matter to them.
In fact, the ability to change one's mind, which is something they see Bush as incapable of doing, is a good thing to them. In anti-bushite's minds, they fail to see why we would want a president who doesn't seem to encourage any real debate and has a preconcieved agenda which will be carried out, come hell or high water.

But in the other tent, they can't understand why the other side won't just pipe down and trust in their leader. In time, they feel, all will see clearly that they are right about everything. In the meantime, we'll do everything we can to discredit anyone who opposes our vision.

So, where does that leave us? I honestly don't know. I do know 1 thing however. I do know that the balance of power serves us well. When everyone has a claim to the credit, yet don't hold enough authority to take all the blame, things go well. And absolute power does corrupt. And none of us are right about everything. It's not a sign of weakness or a dissolution of your entire belief system if one decision or view turns out to be not what it seemed.

John Kerry represents what is the best move for our country in November. The last thing we need, as a nation, is for one party to retain a hold on every major aspect of our federal goverment. It would be the same if the left held all the power. Kerry has already made clear his commitment to finishing the job in Iraq as he believes, as do I, that despite the rightness or wrongness of the invasion, we are there now, it's a mess, and it's our responsibility not to abandon them. Despite them truly hating us and feeling humiliated by our occupation, even the majority of Iraqis realize that our staying there for awhile is necessary.

What John Kerry will do that Bush won't do is restore America's clout in the world. Bush views actually listening and discussing the strategies on the terror war as a sign of weakness. He repeatedly states, in various ways on how we will not bow to anyone else's viewpoint and everyone is either with us or against us. Kerry too has stated that we will not turn over all of our authority and decision making to others. But Kerry realizes that in order to win this war, we cannot take this "all or nothing" approach like what Bush has taken with both the world and American people.

Keep in mind, even if John Kerry is elected president, he will still face a congreess that will either be a majority in one or both houses for the republicans. Unlike Bush, he will be forced to consider other viewpoints than his pre-conceived agenda. We will then have a little more of a "balance of power."

And for the terrorists, they will have an American President to contend with that is not leaving Iraq, has experience in military affairs, and will have more of the world on his side. They will have no let up in the forces that are tracking them down, in fact, i would expect more involvement as other countries are offered a real seat at the decision making table. They will understand who is in charge, but at least they will know that their opinion matters in a fight that affects everyone. The republicans even have to realize at some point that no one will tolerate being treated like someone's child, which is the way the administration seems to treat the rest of the world. The world is their children, whom they will teach right and wrong to, and in the end, everyone will love them cause they were so right and loving. .

Wrong.

As right or wrong as the republicans believe they are, and make no mistake about it, on the whole, they are not "the bad guys," no human being with beyond a 6th grade education is going to tolerate being told what to do in this country. And likewise, countries that enjoyed 1000's of years of sovereignty are not going to yield to some young buck's whims. From some nation's perspective, they have been around a lot longer and know a thing or 2 about surviving thru the ages.

In the global theater, they (GOP) do sit on the side of righteousness in the big picture, but trying to shove all that righteousness down everyone's throat, in power or not, has become it's own burden on the party and how they are percieved.

Right wing pundits will of course retort with lines that say something like "how can you vote for Kerry if he did this or voted for that in the past?" In their minds it is unthinkable that anyone would vote for a guy who in their minds hasn't been "as solid as a rock" as the president in their views and beliefs. They view Bush's stubborness as an asset and don't see how anyone couldn't see the same thing given their view of the facts. Which in their mind, just like it is in everyone's mind, a fair assessment.

They will also claim that "hate" can't get someone elected. THis, even tho a distain for Jimmy Carter was led by the GOP cry of "ABC" (anything but carter) in the 1980 campaign. In 1980, I remember republicans were furious with Carter and felt many "negative emotions" about him. THe topper was a perception that his presidency had led to America appearing weak and causing the hostages being taken in Iran. When the hostages were released, as Reagan was being sworn in, I remember my father reflecting the sentiments orf the Reagan supporters. He would go on about how "america would be viewed with respect again now that they got rid of that peanut farmer hick." He would point to the release of the hostages as a clear signal that they were afraid of him, unlike Carter. This was despite the fact that Carter's people had negotiated the release of the hostages and the release time was the last face saving measure to "stick it" to the americans and play up that belief. But from their perspective, they had caused Carter to be overthrown, just as they caused america's puppet, the Shah, to be overthrown. The incident in Spain led me to staart thinking about this incident again.

The republicans have been spreading the idea that if Kerry is elected, the terrorists win. They point to Spain's election as proof. But who is to say that the Socialists, who represented the majority of Spanish voters views, wouldn't have won anyway. Polling was close before the incident, and one thing that is true is that some of their polling simply isn't as accurate as ours. And even govt. sourced polls couldn't extend their candidates lead outside the margin of error. If there was a big lesson to be learned from this, it may be that democracy does work, and that all people need to be heard in a serious manner. I don't fear the change in power in spain, as much as I don't agree with many socialist positions (but keep in mind, the socialists are democratic socialists, not communists as some want to infer) . I don't fear it because the new Spanish leader because he has pledged his will to fight terrorism. And I don't simplistically view a desire to perhaps change tactics as a "weakness" because he doesn't blindly follow the president's views. As i've said before, there are many voices and viewpoints that deserve to be heard.

The fact that 9/11 happened and we have a really big military and wealth and are really threatened by terrorists does not give us a certificate in being the experts on the subject. The fact is, this is a new kind of battle, and we are all a little naive. The conservative approach may be to take an all out offensive against who they view as the biggest enemies and give themseves as much authority and power as it takes to win without being slowed down by other "viewpoints" that they view as inherently "weaker" than any line they take. And their viewpoint could be ultimately right, or maybe not,,,we don't know.

But even if we assume theycould be right in their approach, the fact that they have basically all the decision making power and made those decisions without any real, honest debate, makes that point moot. Republicans can argue until they are blue in the face about any position or policy. The fact that pretty much everything Bush has done from day 1 has been done with the blessing of a majority that inherently ensured victory in almost every case (except for the senate in Bush's 1st year, but after 9/11, the cooperation spirit was held high overeverything else, and after the 2002 elections, it was an intimidated legislature. ).

The republicans have been highly effective in transferring the business concept of cornering a market into the political arena. They have indeed enjoyed a monopoly on the political arena's field. They don't own everything, but they own enough to pretty much get done whatever they need to in most cases. And that needs to change. This goverment was never meant to operate so one sidedly.

We need to get back to a balance of power and a check and balance system for all of our sakes. Keeping all the power in 1 party at a time when everyone really needs to be heard for anything to really get done in this war is vital. This november, vote for change, vote for John Kerry.

I believe Kerry can win in Novemeber. And that is not because of any poll, despite him doing well in them. But his victory will only happen if turnout is high. The energy that was created over the last year for the democrat's sake needs to be kept up and continue to Novemebr. And that won't happen rehashing WMD arguements over and over. Kerry needs to himself and challenge the president to tell the American people what the future could hold in their presidency. We have now gotten to the point in this discourse that neither side wants to talk about anythigng in the future unless they can control every aspect of it. That is a result of the "gotcha" game. Every politician now knows if they predict anything in the war ofn terror they could be damaged politically. The administration has learned that in the WMD debate and are only left with defending a hopelessly undefensable position so they don't show any sign of weakness.

Kerry doesn't want to step in any political doo-doo either as he realizes anything said in March could be proven false by November. But Kerry need not get bogged down in this silly over and over about Iraq. What the American people will respond to is a bigger picture, long term view. No one is asking either side to be Kreskin, despite the pure speculative nature of all the "news" shows anymore. I believe this is where Kerry can show his leadership abilities in this campaign. By going beyond the quagmire of the current debate and getting to more important matters than the moot point that we will be cleaning up this mess in Iraq for a long time.

We shall see if he answers that call.





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on Mar 20, 2004

A very well crafted article. It starts out appearing objective and slowly drifts towards advocacy for the Democrats.

I don't agree with your view that Kerry would somehow be an improvement over Bush. All I can tell about Kerry so far is that he wants to be President. Very badly.

The Florida "debacle" ensured that we could only get more divided on the political fronts. Most who are reading this know what happened, so no rehash is necessary. But in the end, what democrats saw was a candidate who we already knew had 500,000 fewer votes nationally, who campaigned on "states rights" issues, and the controversy was in the state where his brother was basically king. To every democrat and person who voted for AL Gore, all they saw was an inside deal happening with their election. Regardless of the reality, that was the perception. And to boot, they saw it as hypocritical for them to use a conservative leaning, federal court to over rule a state court when he had campaigned on states rights.

This paragraph is a good example of the overall tone of your well written article. That is, you slyly make a partisan point even as you try to sound "Balanced". Conservatives weren't happy that the Supreme Court was forced to intervene in the election. The problem is that the Florida Supreme Court jumped in and usurped both the lower court ruling AS WELL as ignoring the law of Florida (such as arbitrarily changing the election rules post-facto).  If Gore hadn't tried to bypass Florida law -- enacted by the ELECTED representatives of the people of Florida in an environment that didn't favor either side, the supreme court would never needed to get involved at all.

The Florida Supreme court ruling was so outrageous and so "in your face" wrong that the US Supreme Court really didn't have much choice.

Republicans do favor state rights. But they also believe in the importance of democracy. Something Democrats don't seem to be as big about -- despite their party's name. Republicans, in general, are much more inclined to follow the will of the voters within the established rules.  That gore had more votes nationally was completely irrelevant. If popular vote mattered, the campaigns would have been conducted completely differently. 

The nation faces a lot of difficult challenge. Its leaders must put forth specific plans of action. Kerry seems totally unwilling to do that. He makes, IMO, assanine statements like "I'll work with our allies" as if Bush isn't.

Specifics like:

How would Kerry have handled Iraq differently? I want to know. SPECIFICALLY.  With hundreds of thousands of Americans troops sitting in the desert as the hot weather was approaching knowing that they'd have to wear chemical protection suits, time was running out. Saddam was still dicking us around on the inspections.

Would Kerry allow France, Russia, and Communist China veto US action that it believes is in its own best interest?

Specifically, how will Kerry lower the deficit? SPECIFICS.

Kerry's campaign speeches basically sound like "I am for the things that are good and against the things that are bad."

Until he's ready to come up with specific plans of action, he's just bitching.

on Mar 20, 2004
good article. one of the few times i actually hit the the "insightful" button instead of the "trolling" button that i so love. lays out points of view of both sides fairly well.

also describes the two sides and mentions the move/countermove of the two sides, a weird verbal fencing/dancing/martial arts combo. like when people mention a story about kerry being rude, the other side's move is to bring up bush calling a reporter a "major league a--hole." or when someone mentions "Republicans, in general, are much more inclined to follow the will of the voters within the established rules," bring up the fact that republicans were planning to contest the election result if they wound up winning the popular vote but losing the electoral vote. same arguments, just different time/place/names.

on Mar 20, 2004
1st off, i figured someone from the right would be dumb enough to read things that way and respond as such. i didn't figure it to come so quick tho....there was nothing underhanded about the way i presented the facts. Yes i do support Kerry, any reading of anything including this article would show that. Even the title I put up there showed that. I called myself a pundit. Probably like you Brad, I usually dont. In fact i will insist on viewing myself as fair handed just as you probably do. every once in a while i can point to something that i disagree with , which stem from all sides of the spectrum.

This is the lil litmus test we all give ourselves to show how righteous we are to ourselves. when i signed up here last week, I saw your writings on how you were so open minded politically. It's a good, but overplayed spin. Many people do it, including myself at times. But a more honest look at oneself would reveal that none of us are as unbiased and fairminded as we think we are. But before anything is going to effectively get done in this war on terrorism, we are all going to have to admit that we are not going to win it by the republicans shoving all their ideas down everyone's throat.

You can come back with silly little points about how the democrats also try to do that, but Brad, there is a difference. Except for a few on the fringe, everyone concedes that Iraq is a responsibility that must be handled. Unfortunately, the GOP wants to avoid that reality and suggest that everyone but them and the people who blindly support them is somehow weaker than them.

You came back by getting into the same tired arguements pundits (whether they admit it or not) have been driving into and through the ground for a long time now. It's just the same "gotcha" game i described. Obviously you can't see that the point isn't the issues,,,the point is that because the Bush administration felt it had no obligation to consider any viewpoint than it's own, no one wants to play withthem anymore. Foreign leaders are expressing their disgust. 1/2 of America wouldn't vote for George Bush if he promised them all the moon and could deliver. Outside of republican circles, people just don't like him and his cronies. And get this Brad,,,no matter what happens in Iraq or the economy, they still aren't going to like him. You can cite whatever you like, but the fact is, that is the way people who don't support him feel. The fact that there is no middle swing vote in this election shows a very serious problem in the future. America will not be better served by 1 party rule, regardless of who the party is.

You probably assumed i was a democrat, right brad? you said as much in your response. well brad, i'm not. i'm an independent voter. i didn't vote for gore in 2000. but Brad, after careful analysis, I am beginning to realize that this battle is not about either party being right. Again Brad, even if the republicans were right about everything, it wouldn't matter. The ends don't justify the means

And Gore never "bypassed" the law. That is your perception. the Florida Supreme Court didn't "jump in" but were doing their role in the process. The Gore campaign did make tactical errors, but not the ones you suggest like a good 3rd rate Hannity. Again, I didn't vote for Gore, so I can see both sides from a more objective point of view. But I bet you voted Bush.

In asking for specifics,,,that is a red herring and you know it...i'm actually a little insulted you would go with that cheap tactic when you know as well as i do that is an impossibility to give SPECIFICS in a battle plan for about a year from now. I stated in my article, that Kerry must show people where the war on terrorism will go. Most importantly, who will be fighting, who is in charge, etc...to ask for specifics on the issues you raise is impossible. I wouldn't even ask that from George. But we do know that George has no interest in seriously considering any other viewpooint than his own.

And the little wedge thing with mentioning the 3 biggest "negative" countries in France, Russia and as you so pointedly tell us COMMUNIST China (is it ok for non-communist china to veto us or were you just trying to incite underhandedly?) . Kerry has already stated on numerous occasions that he will not give "veto" power to anyone. He has also stated that our allies and other countries who want to fight the war on terror should and will have a voice at the table. Make no doubt about it, we will be #1 still.

As far as lowering deficits goes, plans have been put forth, including repealing the tax cuts on the richest 2% amongst us, which good pundits like you enjoy spinning into "John Kerry wants to raise your taxes." This is as if we were all making over 250,000, or will be after we vote republican. Brad, I grew up in the republican tent, with all the money. Guess what, if you aren't already there,,,they really don't want you in there. They want your vote, but they would prefer you stayed outside, unless you are coming around with a champagne tray or cleaning up their mess. But I digress...

Until you get it through your head that this debate is silly and all your blustering about specifics is about as transparent as some of Brittney Spear's recent outfits. The fact is that 1/2 of this country and most of the world is not going to tolerate the Bush's infallibility claim to go on any longer since this mess in Iraq and all their facts turning out to be the lies and manipulations of an agendized group of exiles and neoconservative hawks. Unless the Bushites want to seriously start considering other people's views and tactical suggestions, then they are not good for our future. And so far, they seem unwilling or unable to do that.

Kerry offers that alternative.
on Mar 20, 2004
thanks for the kind words ...glad to get that insightful tag, ,,,thanks...even tho i am not a democrat, i see why they hav e done so well politically over the last year. And if the right keeps up the same tired old tactics of "gotcha" games and such,,,,this crap will just continue. For some reason, as the left seems to be moving toward the future, the right seems to be caught up in sitting on their lofty perch and telling evreryone how wrong they are and to trust the republicans like some savior. It's gotten to the "even if you disagree with us, the other side is more wrong" crap from the right (as so textbooklike illustrated from Brad) . It has gotten reduced to pure "gotcha" politics and unfortunately the democrats do get sucked back into it too often.

i hope they continue their current trends of waking up and smelling the coffee.
on Mar 20, 2004
. It has gotten reduced to pure "gotcha" politics and unfortunately the democrats do get sucked back into it too often.

"gotcha!" is a fun game though. i do love it when someone posts stuff that's obviously wrong and then i get to poke giant holes in it.
on Mar 20, 2004
Until you get it through your head that this debate is silly and all your blustering about specifics is about as transparent as some of Brittney Spear's recent outfits. The fact is that 1/2 of this country and most of the world is not going to tolerate the Bush's infallibility claim to go on any longer since this mess in Iraq and all their facts turning out to be the lies and manipulations of an agendized group of exiles and neoconservative hawks. Unless the Bushites want to seriously start considering other people's views and tactical suggestions, then they are not good for our future. And so far, they seem unwilling or unable to do that.


1/2 of the country is against Bush and 1/2 is for it. What makes the first half more important? As for most of the world disliking Bush, I won't argue with that, but one has to ask if those that matter are against Bush.
on Mar 21, 2004
yeah,,,i must admit i've played the home version of it many times myself...thanks for the chuckle
on Mar 21, 2004
as far as those "that matter"...i still like to believe that we all matter,,,if we want to....comments much appreciated
on Mar 21, 2004
The 'Vietnamization' of Iraq and Afghanistan is emerging. I could swear I was in America in 1972 again to watch the television of the one year anniversary of our offensive in Iraq. While the President said all is well and had a token Afro American female stand behind him and applaud, crowds of thousands in America - and I mean many, many thousands all over America and the world- marched in protest of our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bush is using a tactic perfected by the Roman Senate two thousand years ago, of using patriotism to quell dissent - the last refuge of this scoundrel in my opinion. Unless Kerry says he'll pull our troops out if elected, the count will stay pretty much the same, as you say. In that event, third party candidates will not suffer from this 'frat brotherA or frat brotherB' scam, fronting as an election.

What the heck, if everyone is going to vote for the twins one way or the other, why not just pull a lever for a third party Candidate? It does not have to be Nader, and I won't vote Nader as of this time (I definitely won't be voting for either Republicrat). But the staleness of the two Parties and the FACT they are identical in their perspectives, fundamentally, is reason enough to either NOT vote at all (What's it matter?) or just pull another lever for the heck of it (as in, "Why not be different for a change?").
on Mar 21, 2004
thanks for the comments wah:)

i disagree with your "just don't vote" sentiment as low turnout only favors republicans traditionally. i do see a difference in what the democrats and republicans are offering. the "republicrat" label was appropriate for a while, but after a while, you do have to ask yourself, why does someone have to disagree 100% with the GOP to be considered to have a valid opinion? that seems to be the 3rd party cry anymore. either disagree with the republicans 100% or you will be considered a "republicrat." that , to me, is the same "my way or the highway" attitude of the president.

electing John Kerry does not serve as some panacea to America. What it does offer is a honorable departure from our current unilateral pursuits and an atmosphere where debate and dissent are stifled and intimidated. electing john kerry gives us a clean slate in a sense (but not totally) to fight the war on terror. there are also differences on the domestic front.

but John Kerry will have an obligation to his supporters and what i think is becoming an increasing mandate from the people after experiencing 2 decade s + of "closed door politics" from both parties. the main overall theme i think Kerry offers the voter is a chance to participate again. something we haven't really been able to do since reagan came in and the walls started to be built.

if kerry lives up to that mandate and begins to open up our govt. (that we own) back to the people he would again probably have my support in 2008...if he does carry his term out like a "republicrat" and doesn't live up to the expectations,,,i may go back to supporting a 3rd party,,,but i'm willing to give him a chance. i see that as a much better prospect than 4 more years of absolute power with a neoconservative ideology behind it.
on Mar 21, 2004

1st off, i figured someone from the right would be dumb enough to read things that way and respond as such.

What's dumb is personally attacking the owner of the site.

on Mar 21, 2004
it wasn't an attack on you,,,,but i can see how you reacted,,,,real mature, lol,,,,i won't comment on what ya did to my site as it is easy to see how fragile your ego is...but Brad,,it is pretty obvious why the sites on here are more right leaning than most blog sites....especially since i've now personally experienced your RPG "god mode" like wrath....and to think,,,i gave you an "insightful" tag on your response...i would tell you to grow up here brad, but you might take that as a personal attack.

on Mar 21, 2004

SConn, yes assume I have a fragile ego and that I need to grow up.  All because I pointed out the obvious reality: Name-calling the person who owns the site is probably not the brightest thing to do.

After all, if I were as "immature" and "fragile" as you seem to claim, your comment wouldn't exist and neither would your blog. I wrote a response disagreeing with your post and in resonse you called me names.

Obviously you're not interested in opinions outside your own left wing friends. So I bit you adieu.

on Mar 21, 2004
SConn1: I just read your soon-deleted post about Brad. I would mention that anyone can cut into your points by voting 'trolling', it need not be Brad. I can't remember if I have ever given you a trolling or not, but there are people here that use it and others that abuse it.

If Brad were a fascist you wouldn't be here at all. You take cheap shots at him when you use the fact he owns the place, not something I would call "ballsy". He isn't acting any different than anyone else. If he is abusing his power I have yet to see it.
on Mar 21, 2004

I've removed SConn for a few days (because of his now deleted post). 

I draw the line on paying for people to write articles specifically to abuseme personally.  You can write articles about pretty much anything you like but using your blog to attack other members on the site (even me) is really pushing it --i.e. writing blogs specifically to insult and flame individuals here by name). If that makes me a fascist then I'm okay with that. I doubt many people would react differently though.

Maybe in a few days he'll cool down and resist the urge to personally attack those who disagrees with him. Given the sheer # of articles on this site that have already been written that disagree with some *opinion* I have, I think we're pretty tolerant. But we're not too keen on artilces that simply heap abuse on the me personally or the site. Let Sconn go and put in the worl to create his own website and then open it up for thousands of others to participate and see how tolerant he is.

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