The contention that Moore's films are "documentaries" is laughable. Your credibility is suffering mightily here, Sean. If you can't see that Mikey starts with his conclusions and then goes out & collects what he needs/wants to support them, there is little point in arguing with you. Propaganda starts with a conclusion; a documentary may result in one, but a conclusion is not necessary. The distinction appears to be lost on you. It was entertaining propaganda, mainly in Roger and Me, but propaganda nonetheless.

sorry daiwa, i disagree. he's not a scientist...but that seems to be the standard you are setting for him. he's not even making a scientific documentary, he's making political documentaries. and yeah, he does have his bias, but that doesn't make it untrue or propoganda.

The fact that you take Michael Moore's words as fact is enough for me to not say anything more than this.     

that effort you put forth speaks volumes. yes, indeed it does...thanks  

I guess you are refering to me. Thanks, I take great pride in my efforts. I do what I can to make them speak in large volumes. Even if what they are refering to lacks any volume.