Sean you sound like a liberal apologist and as I read more and more of your materials and comments you do not come across as a libertarian more of a libraltarian. JMO

oh, so since 30 seconds of it trashes Hillary, it isn't partisan? lol

The whole premise of the film is a partisan shot at private health care.  Anyone who thinks Socialized healthcare is a good idea should go to a VA or Military hospital and watch it in action.

In the clip here, Moore praises Hillary for trying to force Socialized medicine on the U.S... in secret... with no chance for anyone outside her little circle to read the thousands of pages.  Yup, that sounds like something praiseworthy to me!

 

that was an interview about the movie, not the movie itself...those clips are here...WWW Link



no, it exposes "for profit" healthcare and the stupitidy of it. and how the people who ARE insured are getting ripped off.

I'd sure like to see his film on socialized healthcare and it's failures.  For some reason you think if Moore softly criticizes Hillary that it's somehow not another propaganda film.

have you seen the film? moore is contending that he goes after both sides, like dick morris is claiming in his new book, outrage. should i not give both the benefit of the doubt before i actually see their work?

or should i just go on my slanted predjudice based on their past?

this is what your heroes at fox said...WWW Link

Who ever said Fox News was my hero?  What is it with your strange obsession over anything Fox News does? 

Moore is known for propaganda films, and is one of most partisan propaganda film makers out there, so no I won't give him the benefit of the doubt. 

Ahhh so short and so sweet. you get a cookie Dog.

only with the neocons and far right. to the rest of us, he is a documentarian. an academy award winning documentarian. that's not to say that everything he has ever contended has been dead on balls accurate. but just because you disagree with his premises or points of view does not make him a propogandist. bias and propoganda are 2 very different things.

To the rest of who, the far left?  Moore is not a "documentarian", he makes propganda films disguised as documentaries.  Unfortunately in LeftyWood, they have a loose definition of what is a documentary and what is a load of BS.  However, it's no surprise you defend Moore, any far-left loon you seem to be an apologist for.

blah, blah, blah,,,same ol rhetoric ...anyone who won't damn anyone who disagrees with the far right wing nut jobs is a "left wing loon" what a joke!

It doesn't seem to be a joke when you bring up your "neo-con" and "right-wing" nonsense, does it? 

OK, you JU labemakers are gonna hafta make up your effing minds! One day I'm a liberal, the next day I'm neocon and far right. I tell ya, a fella jes' don't know where to lay 'is head wit' all the namecallin' round dese here parts!

Michael Moore is NOT a documentarian, Sean. Fahrenheit 9/11 was challenged on so many factual errors that even Moore finally caved and referred to himself as an entertainer, not a documentarian. And I'm speaking of someone that ENJOYS Moore's satirical outlook.

i don't believe i have ever called you a liberal. show me where i have done that.



oh really? then why does moore have a 7 section line by line fact check on his site for the movie?

here's the first few tidbits...

Factual Back-Up For Fahrenheit 9/11: Section One

THE FOLLOWING IS THE LINE BY LINE FACTUAL BACKUP FOR 'FAHRENHEIT 9/11'

Section One covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from the 2000 election to George W. Bush's extended visit to Booker Elementary on the morning of September 11th.


FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Fox was the first network to call Florida for Bush. Before that, some other networks had called Florida for Gore, and they changed after Fox called it for Bush.

“With information provided from the Voter News Service, NBC was the first network to project Gore the winner in Florida at 7:48 pm. At 7:50 pm ,CNN and CBS project Gore the winner in Florida as well.” By 8:02 pm , all five networks and the Associated Press had called Gore the winner in Florida. Even the VNS called Gore the winner at 7:52 pm. At 2:16 am, Fox calls Florida for Bush, NBC follows at 2:16 am. ABC is the last network to call the Florida for Bush, at 2:20 am, while AP and VNS never call Florida for Bush. CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/02/
cnn.report/cnn.pdf

Ten minutes after the top of the hour, network excitement was again beginning to build. At 2:16 a.m., the call was made: Fox News Channel, with Bush's first cousin John Ellis running its election desk, was the first to project Florida -- and the presidency -- for the Texas governor. Within minutes, the other networks followed suit. "George Bush, Governor of Texas will become the 43rd President of the United States," CNN's Bernard Shaw announced atop a graphic montage of a smiling Bush. "At 18 minutes past two o'clock Eastern time, CNN declares that George Walker Bush has won Florida's 25 electoral votes and this should put him over the top."PBS: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/election2000/
election_night.html
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The man who was in charge of the decision desk at FOX on election night was Bush’s first cousin, John Ellis.

“John Ellis, a first cousin of George W. Bush, ran the network's ‘decision desk’ during the 2000 election, and Fox was the first to name Bush the winner. Earlier, Ellis had made six phone calls to Cousin Bush during the vote-counting.” William O’Rourke, “Talk Radio Key to GOP Victory,” Chicago Sun-Times, December 3, 2002.
A Fox News consultant, John Ellis, who made judgments about presidential ‘calls’ on Election Night admits he was in touch with George W. Bush and FL Gov. Jeb Bush by telephone several times during the night, but denies breaking any rules. CNN, November 14, 2000; http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/
11/14/politics/main249357.shtml.

John Ellis, the Fox consultant who called Florida early for George Bush, had to stop writing about the campaign for the Boston Globe because of family ‘loyalty’ to Bush. CBS News, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/
11/14/politics/main249357.shtml, November 14, 2000.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Make sure the chairman of your campaign is also the vote countin’ woman and that her state has hired a company that’s gonna knock voters off the rolls who aren’t likely to vote for you. You can usually tell them by the color of their skin.”

“The vote total was certified by Florida's secretary of state, Katherine Harris, head of the Bush campaign in Florida, on behalf of Gov. Jeb Bush, the candidate's brother.” Mark Zoller Seitz, “Bush Team Conveyed an Air of Legitimacy,” San Diego Union-Tribune, December 16, 2000.

The Florida Department of State awarded a $4 million contract to the Boca Raton-based Database Technologies Inc. (subsidiary of ChoicePoint). They were tasked with finding improperly registered voters in the state’s database, but mistakes were rampant. “At one point, the list included as felons 8,000 former Texas residents who had been convicted of misdemeanors.” St. Petersburg Times (Florida), December 21, 2003.

Database Technologies, a subsidiary of ChoicePoint, “was responsible for bungling an overhaul of Florida’s voter registration records, with the result that thousands of people, disproportionately black, were disenfranchised in the 2000 election. Had they been able to vote, they might have swung the state, and thus the presidency, for Al Gore, who lost in Florida. Oliver Burkeman, Jo Tuckman, “Firm in Florida Election Fiasco Earns Millions from Files on Foreigners,” The Guardian, May 5, 2003 http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,949709,00.html. See also, Atlanta-Journal-Constitution, May 28, 2001.

In 1997, Rick Rozar, the late head of the company bought by ChoicePoint, donated $100,000 to the Republican National Committee. Melanie Eversley, “Atlanta-Based Company Says Errors in Felon Purge Not Its Fault,” Atlanta Journal-Constitution, May 28, 2001. Frank Borman of Database Technologies Inc. has donated extensively to New Mexico Republicans, as well as to the Presidential campaign of George W. Bush. Opensecrets.org, “Frank Borman.”

Does his website show how he manipulated clips to make people look like they were saying something different too?  How about the other the "facts" that have been shown to be false and manipulated by Moore?

Does his website show how he manipulated clips to make people look like they were saying something different too? How about the other the "facts" that have been shown to be false and manipulated by Moore?

i dunno, why don't you ask him. i'm not defending his total accuracy...just that he defends his claims. this talk of "caving" and such are just more right wing spun up bs. his documentaries are entertaining, but that doesn't mean he doesn't make documentaries. a bunch of right wingers who hate him doesn't really mean a lot to me when watching his films. i don't agree with everything he says, and he definitely has a bias. but so what??? this country was built on biased writing, that doesn't make it propoganda or anything of the sort necessarily. common sense by paine was a biased piece about how self rule was better than british rule. he was right. he was biased. so what?