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we were warned...
Published on June 7, 2007 By Sean Conners aka SConn1 In War on Terror
Remember when we invaded Iraq?

Remember when the Turks wouldn't let us use theri country as a base and we couldn't bribe em enough to change their position? They feared being attacked themselves. We laughed it off.

Since then, Kurds in Northern Iraq have been attacking and terrorizing Turkey. Of course, we don't report that. We report "all is calm and well" in the north. It isn't.

So now that Turkey's prediction that all an invasion of Iraq would mean for them is attacks from the Kurds has been shown to be true, and the other part was also true. The part that said we wouldn't or couldn't protect them when the Kurds began to attack.

So now Turkey has decided enough is enough and reportedly sent thousands of troops into Northern Iraq and have established "security zones" along the border to protect itself from Kurdish terrorists. This all in the "calm and peaceful" northern part of Iraq. A major war between Turkey and the Kurds has begun, and no one is reporting it. So much for the "liberal media."

Just another major blunder by an incompetent administration who thought they knew how to play chess with a world that is playing 5 card draw.

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on Jun 07, 2007

"ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Turkey has sent large contingents of soldiers, tanks, guns and armored personnel carriers to reinforce its border with Iraq -- amid heated debate over whether to stage a cross-border offensive to hit Kurdish rebel bases.

The military has said the border reinforcement is routine in summer, to prevent guerrillas of the Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, from infiltrating from bases in northern Iraq."

NOT into Iraq, but at their own border on their own land which they have every right to do sean.. another misleading headline and article.

on Jun 07, 2007
In Sean's defense, his information is accurate... as it was reported early yesterday and the night before. Since then (yesterday afternoon and this morning), there have been numerous reports like the one that you'd cited above, including denials from both Turkish and Iraqi government officials that Turkish forces had crossed the borders.

So... nearly 48 hours ago, Sean was right, at least in some respects. Not so much now.
on Jun 07, 2007
And how exactly is this Bush's fault? The tension between Turkey and the Kurds goes back to the partitioning of the old Ottoman Empire after World War I. Turkey doesn't want Kurdistan to gain autonomy, so they have tried for decades to put down any kind of ethnic self-determination in their easternmost region. The fact that Kurdistan is the most prosperous Iraqi region is galling Ankara to no end, since this gives Kurds new non-Turkish national aspirations. So the Turkish military has been hinting at an incursion or two into American-controlled Kurdistan to quell the good fortunes of the Kurds.

If you need a scapegoat, blame Winston Churchill, who drew the lines of the Middle East and sliced Kurdistan right in three.
on Jun 07, 2007
NOT into Iraq, but at their own border on their own land which they have every right to do sean.. another misleading headline and article.


But as they tell us repeatedly with the illegal immigration issue...countries have no right to protect their borders!

At least they're CONSISTENT!
on Jun 07, 2007
oh? misleading? read...

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Turkey has declared several areas near the border with Iraq to be "temporary security zones" in a sign of increasing activity by the military in its campaign against Kurdish rebels.The declaration Wednesday came amid a Turkish military buildup on the border, and on the same day as Turkish security officials and an Iraqi Kurdish official said hundreds of Turkish troops crossed into northern Iraq in pursuit of Kurdish guerrillas who launch raids into Turkey

later in the article...

Three Turkish officials described Wednesday's cross-border operation as a "hot pursuit" raid that was limited in scope, and one of them said troops returned to their bases by the end of the day. Turkey has conducted such brief raids in the past, but the latest incident comes as rebels are escalating attacks in their decades-old fight for autonomy in southeastern Turkey.
on Jun 07, 2007
But as they tell us repeatedly with the illegal immigration issue...countries have no right to protect their borders!

who's they? when have i ever said that no one has a right to protect their borders? just because i want the 1986 laws to actually be enforced has no bearing on that.

talk about misleading and false...but at least you are getting consistant!
on Jun 07, 2007
Invasion is defined by one source as:

the act of invading; the act of an army that invades for conquest or plunder
any entry into an area not previously occupied; "an invasion of tourists"; "an invasion of locusts"
(pathology) the spread of pathogenic microorganisms or malignant cells to new sites in the body; "the tumor's invasion of surrounding structures"




http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=0&oi=define&q=http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%3Fs%3Dinvasion&usg=AFQjCNFCtHylAbBiU4EkMzhRHBXDjy3BVw

There was no conquest or plunder in this action. This was pursuit.

who's they? when have i ever said that no one has a right to protect their borders? just because i want the 1986 laws to actually be enforced has no bearing on that.


It was a general comment (hence the "they"). In your case, however, you protest that we have a right to enforce our borders yet you criticize every single attempt to actually DO so. Saying we have the right without giving us the power is a bit inconsistent, is it not?
on Jun 07, 2007
Saying we have the right without giving us the power is a bit inconsistent, is it not?


i've stated that some plans look simply unfeasible or impractical. but what "power" am i not giving?

i simply contend that actual enforcement of the 86 laws would dry up the incentive to come here. but "immigration reform" hasn't been anything about that. some of it has been a thinly veiled exercize in racism in my view. and at the same time, the people who want to get to stay here have acted like idiots waving mexican flags around in america. three's alot of "runnin east lookin for a sunset" on this issue, imho..on many sides. but i can't recall refusing any powers.
on Jun 07, 2007

But as they tell us repeatedly with the illegal immigration issue...countries have no right to protect their borders!

At least they're CONSISTENT!

Now that is a great spin on it!

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