[quote]1st, i apologize for that comment. and 2nd, in regards to your perspective rightwinger, i respectfully disagree. and even if they do try to come here, i am not afraid of any of the bastards and will utilize my 2nd amendment rights to the hilt to protect my family and national interests. if they pull another 9/11 stunt, i will grieve with my nation, bury the dead and turn to punish those responsible...hopefully, our leaders will get it right next time. [/quote]---SConn

I respect that, Sean....I really have nothing against you, or anyone else here. You say you would "utilize your 2nd Amendment rights"....and I'd willingly be right there to help you. Baker, for example, would not; he would be apologizing for them and trying to explain away their behavior. He hates me because, in the later rounds we went, I refused to bow to his oh-so-obviously superior intellect and opinions; I think he's wrong, and I told him so, time and again, and gave him my reasons. Every time he swung, I swung back, and wouldn't back down. As a result, he hates me, and has simply branded me as a racist and bigot so he can easier dismiss my views. Oh, well. Life's rough.

I personally think our leadership has done at least a good enough job in protecting us. In the days following 9/11, it was predicted that it was all over for America; every day now was going to be Jerusalem Lite. Bombings, terror attacks all over. It has not, and I can't ignore that. There has to be some reason, and that's the only one that makes sense, at least to me.

and one of the great things about America to me is that there are people like you who are ready and willing to show us what we should be worried about. and there are people like me who disagree and have the freedom to express that view. but if anything does actually threaten our shores again, whether your prediction holds true, or it is another threat, i'm sure we will both stand united against that enemy.

---SConn

Amen to that....God bless you, SConn1....whether or not you accept it. You're a good guy. For a liberal.

Go over and read my article..."The war as I see it". I'd like to get your input.

Sorry, having trouble linking. Think it's time to wipe and reinstall.

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first just becouse some one uses christ's name doesn't make him a christian.

secound muslims believe the whole story about christ.

thirdly he killed the weak and the defenseless people for the weak and defenseless people sounds like a democrat liberal to me

lol,,,are we gonna start that again?

thanks for the comments tho, and despite the dig, it's actually nice to have someone step off their political soapbox and just say that. i'll try to track down your article and leave some comments...today's gonna be kind of a busy day for me "offline" but i will try.

as far as baker goes, i'm sorry but i don't share your sentiment. like many on here, he may take things too far, but like a lot on here, i enjoy reading his perspective, regardless of whether i disagree or agree. he is good at challenging others, a trait i admire and try to do myself. in both our cases, sometimes those challenges get taken way out of context. and sometimes we just simply go too hard at some, sometimes on issues that really don't merit a knockdown, drag-out argument. i've tried to get better at that over the years, i.e.- i try to "step away from politics." but sometimes it's like when ya get off a highway where you were doin a pretty high rate of speed and exit onto a road that is only 35mph or less and it's hard to go that slow. ya know what i mean?

Where's drmiler's quote?

I personally think Baker's gone off the deep end, in some respect. He and I used to get on pretty well, overall; I even got an insightful from him once about an article I wrote about my views on modern psychology. Then we later got into a discussion about immigration, and it was all downhill from there. We got into it about Islam and the war, and it was "Katy, bar the door". That was it.
The comment that earned me the most caustic ire, as I recall, and touched off the real firestorm, was when I said, simply, that when I see a person who is clearly a Muslim, a part of me does get a little suspicious, and wonders what they might be up to at home, or otherwise away from the public eye.
Suddenly, I was a racist and hateful bigot, holed up in my Idaho cabin, writing my manifesto. All because I admitted to a little caution that, I think, is perfectly natural, given the circumstances and the nature of the enemy.

Baker, ahem....disagrees. Vehemently.

WOW what a piss-poor analogy. All of the above were OUTRAGES to moderate christians.

I hear no outrage from "moderate muslims" (oxymoron).

And the MAFIA? What, fighting for Christ hahahahahahahahahahahah! oh my, what a piss-poor analogy.

So are we now to call you a bigot, like anyone here who bashes Islam (the religion of peace)?

show me a catholic church that doesn't take their money. where 's the outrage? it doesn't exist.

eric rudolph survived for years in the carolina hills. the most "outrage " anyone ever showed was 1 general store clerk who simply refused to serve him. he didn't turn rudolph in or report it tho. and only revealed it after rudolph's capture.

his "army of god" organization, which still exists today, without any outrage from anyone.

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the IRA was always primarily supported by american irish...and not by people who you'd think radical. but by pillars of our communities.

and bigotry isn't pointing out facts. bigotry would be if i had something against christians, which i don't. i happen to be one. but that doesn't blind me to the fact that christians have committed terroristic attrocities over the years and we don't get "outraged." the christian way, esp the catholic (and btw, i was raised catholic and my children are baptized as such) way is to turn your head and act like it never happened.

you don't get outraged you mean i do

the difference is that the christian faith doesn't promote the death of others

the islam faith does

I was in the process of making a gigantic screw-up. I had already posted. It wouldn't let me delete it, so I just left the period.

You're obviously talking about the mass rioting when Kanye West appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone dressed as Christ in his crown of thorns.
Don't forget the car bombings that occurred when "The Last Temptation of Christ" that killed fifteen and wounded thirty in violence across the nation. No one can forget THAT dark day for Christian tolerance.
Or the violent beheadings of the cast of Monty Python for making the blasphemous "Life of Brian." That sure showed those infidels what the God of Israel was all about.

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You are so short-sighted in trying to "prove" your point that you refuse to see the forest for all these darn trees in the way.

I've gone off the deep end? LMAO...

What you asked me on that other blog was, when I stood with the mothers of Islamic kids, picking up our kids from elementary school, if I wondered whether or not their husbands were in their basements at home making bombs. You wanna talk about me going off the deep end?

That is way off the deep end. That's the kind of paranoia that people would socially shun you for if you, say, wondered if black kids' parents were selling crack or raping white women. You could even sit and use statistics of attacks and arrests, the racial diversity of the American prison population, etc., to back that up. Google it, racists do it all the time.

We don't tolerate that. We would shun you like the filth you would be. In America now, though, you can proudly say that Muslims are a "cancer" and anyone who jumps on you for it is "going off the deep end". No one is willing to say out loud what the cure for this Islamic "cancer" is, but I can guess given the attitudes reflected here.

I'm ashamed of my country.

P.S. no one should apologize for calling Rightwinger a fearmonger. He is one. As far as "hate", I don't know, maybe I do hate Rightwinger, in the same way I'd hate anyone who is willing to insult and vilify people for their religious beliefs or ethnicity. I thought I lived in a nation that was about 50 years beyond that. I guess I was wrong.

OK what is the cure for this cancer

i recall the news story from India in which a Hindu man said something to a moderate Muslim. the Muslim was insulted and told the other Muslims. they stopped the train and killed every man woman and child on board that train that wasn't Muslim. so tell me again how only the extremists are the ones killing people. all of those people were killed because of what 1 man said to another.

P.S. no one should apologize for calling Rightwinger a fearmonger. He is one. As far as "hate", I don't know, maybe I do hate Rightwinger, in the same way I'd hate anyone who is willing to insult and vilify people for their religious beliefs or ethnicity. I thought I lived in a nation that was about 50 years beyond that. I guess I was wrong.

---Baker

Man, I used to really admire you; your articles were, and are, eloquent and well-presented. The problem is that, somewhere along the way, you became so very open-minded that, as the saying goes, your brains fell out. You can no longer see the forest for the trees, or some other cliche'd saying. Whatever, man. Go do what you do. i don't care anymore.
Maybe I am a fearmonger...but you're an apologist and an appeaser, and I'm at least trying to save lives, and our way of life, doing what I do. Doing what you do, people will die. Will you be one of them? Probably. But at least it won't be on my head. Nice knowing you Baker....the old Baker, that is, the one who still had some sense about him. Ashamed of your country....go live somewhere else. Maybe a Muslim country. You should be happy, there.

Who am I an apologist for, terrorists? An apologist in these terms is someone who comes up with an excuse, a scapegoat for evil people. You divert the focus from evil people because of your own little hateful religious biases. It isn't terror and the terrorists to you, it's Islam.

This is like people sitting around and blaming "Nazism" for the crimes of Hitler's regime. An "ism" can't do a damn thing. It has no hands or feet. No, what I am is someone who doesn't slur people for the actions of others, while you are here branding a billion people for the actions of a small minority.

Well, it wasn't "Nazism" that pulled the lever in the gas chambers, and it wasn't Islam that flew planes into buildings. People did that, you have their names. You have no right to point to anyone as being an apologist, when you, yourself, are building excuses for evil people.

The "Islam" made them do it, after all, huh? Yeah, you should reassess the apologist thing.



That's why in the end of these conversations I can always walk away with a smile on my face. How bad it must suck for you for your opinion not to be worth a damn more than mine. And just think, I can express mine without spitting crumbs on people.

No, I think I'll hang around a while.

This is like people sitting around and blaming "Nazism" for the crimes of Hitler's regime. An "ism" can't do a damn thing. It has no hands or feet. No, what I am is someone who doesn't slur people for the actions of others, while you are here branding a billion people for the actions of a small minority.

---Baker

A "small minority" that MUSLIM organizations estimate at perhaps 100 million or more. Yeah, small compared to 1.3 billion, but still a big chunk of hate and violent ideas. Your main problem is not that you CAN'T see the forest, but that you WON'T. Your desire is to be so understanding and compassionate, or something....that you just simply refuse delivery of anything that might poke a hole in your perfect world. You're good at fighting with words, though, I give you that. Your semantics are flawless.

Well, it wasn't "Nazism" that pulled the lever in the gas chambers, and it wasn't Islam that flew planes into buildings. People did that, you have their names. You have no right to point to anyone as being an apologist, when you, yourself, are building excuses for evil people.

---Baker

You're right there, sure....Nazism itself didn't do a thing....except provide the rationalization for their acts of evil, just as Islamic Fundie nutbars use Islam as their justification. You just won't see that, will you?
There is no excuse for evil, Baker; it must be punished and destroyed, or it takes over.
"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing," right? Sit back and turn away from the window, Baker; you might accidentally see the Evil you deny. Have another Pepsi, Baker...grab you a handful of Doritos. Change the channel. Watch TVLand or Gameshow Netowrk; you won't chance seeing the Evil there. Do nothing. You're doing it so well, why stop now?

I think you purposely miss the points of even your own arguments.

That's why in the end of these conversations I can always walk away with a smile on my face. How bad it must suck for you for your opinion not to be worth a damn more than mine. And just think, I can express mine without spitting crumbs on people.

---Baker

No, you walk away smiling because you've lost it. Crazy people do that. Our opinions may be equally valid, overall, but at least there's caution in mine. And I'd rather be spitting crumbs than drooling on myself.