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Yesterday, National Security Advisor and Bush loyalist Condeleza Rice was grilled by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. For hours, Ms. Rice had to endure an assault of tough questions not only from the other side of the aisle, but from her own party, whom, at least somewhat, has turned against this administration's reckless Iraq poicies.

Lead by conservative lawmaker, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, a chorus of criticizm and affirmations that they were not interested in pursuing the administration's plans of escalating the Iraq war.

Hagel called the Iraq war “the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam.” And vowed to resist the plan for any escalation in troop levels.

In one exchange, Hagel called the administration on the ways it had dealt with them and the American people...

Hagel told Rice, “Madame secretary, Iraqis are killing Iraqis. We are in a civil war. This is sectarian violence out of control.”

She disputed that Iraq was in the throes of a civil war. To that, Hagel said, “To sit there and say that, that’s just not true.”

But that trend is nothing new for the administration. Whose claims have been repeadedly refuted by the facts. Let's review...

Before Mr. Bush was elected he said he was no nation builder. Nation building was wrong for America. Now he says it is vital for America. He said he would never have put U.S. troops under foreign control. Today U.S. troops observe Iraqi restrictions.

He told us about WMDs, mobile labs, secret sources, aluminum tubing, yellow cake. He has told us the war is necessary because Saddam was a threat, because of 9/11, because of Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda, because of terrorism in general, to liberate Iraq, to spread freedom, to spread democracy, to keep the oil out of the hands of potentially terrorist controlled states, because this was a guy who tried to kill his dad.

In pushing for and prosecuting this war, he passed on chances to get Abu Musab al Zarqawi, Moqtada al Sadr, Osama bin Laden. He sent in fewer troops than recommended. He disbanded the Iraqi army and deBaathified the government. He short changed Iraqi training. He did not plan for widespread looting, nor the explosion of sectarian violence. He sent in troops without life saving equipment, gave job to foreign contractors and not the Iraqis, staffed U.S. positions in Iraq based on partisanship, not professional experience.

We learned that America had prevailed, mission accomplished, the resistance was in its last throws. He has said that more troops were not necessary and more troops are necessary, and that it‘s up to the generals, and then removed some of the generals who said more troops would be necessary.

He told us of turning points, the fall of Baghdad, the death of Uday and Qusay, the capture of Saddam, a provisional government, the trial of Saddam, a charter, a constitution, an Iraqi government, elections, purple fingers, a new government, the death of Saddam. We would be greeted as liberators with flowers, as they stood up, we would stand down. We would stay the course. We would never stay the course. The enemy was al Qaeda, was foreigners, was terrorist, was Baathists.

The war would pay for itself. It was cost 1.7 billion dollars, 100 billion, 400 billion, half a trillion dollars.

And after all of that, today it is his credibility versus that of generals, diplomats, allies, Republicans, Democrats, the Iraq Study Group, past presidents, voters last November, and the majority of the American people.

Bottom line, this administration has no credibility.

Not to mention, with the revolt of republican Senators like Hagel, brownback, Warner, Voinavich and others, it appears that no filibuster will happen to block any moves the Senate can make to stop this reckless plan, that according to The New York Times (and has not been refuted by anyone) is even against the wishes of the Iraq government themself.

Of course, that should make for another fine lesson in democracy for them and the rest of the middle east.

61% of the Iraq population is ok with us being dead.

Most of the 2008 Presidential nominees are obviously not going to folow in this administration's footsteps.

This all adds up to stopping this escalation of troops and perhaps neding to forceably point this President in the direction the whole country, the majority of military (35% of active military want any increase in troops, 65% don't) and even the Iraqi goverment and people want us to do and LEAVE!

Enough is enough with this irresponsible, neoconservative pipe dream. the only people left defending this policy are the remaining "true believers" who just don't seem capable of seeing reason over rhetoric. The people didn't call for an increase in troops as a "change in direction" but a decrease in them. And it appears that the President is going to make the Congress spank him by using the power of the purse, or other methods to stop his ego driven foolishness. The administration thinks there will be some sort of backlash. That roping in these drunk cowboys are gonna make them look weak.

It won't, as that is soooo 2002.

It will look smart. And that is what winning wars is all about. Not being "tougher" than your enemy, but by being smarrter.






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on Jan 16, 2007
dr,,,what the hell does this have to do with my article?

is john edwards in the senate? is he on the foreign relations committee?

my article was about REPUBLICANS primarily who lambasted the secretary and the president's policy ...

it wasn't about things said 3 or 5 years ago by democrats. it has nothing to do with john edward's view.

and i could really care less how someone felt about this war years ago. what is important is that republicans are finally waking up and smelling the coffee.

as far as the democrats that have changed their position, i say it's about time. telling me that someone had a different view years ago really doesn't matter to me. my goal is that people stand up against this war today, and tomorrow. because it is wrong. and slowly but surely, i have watched since 2002 as people have come around to realizing that. arguing that someone had a different view on this war years ago means nothing to me. bringing john edwards into an article about how the republicans on the foreign relations committee broke with the administration in a very vocal way is non germaine.

on Jan 16, 2007
dr,,,what the hell does this have to do with my article?

is john edwards in the senate? is he on the foreign relations committee?

my article was about REPUBLICANS primarily who lambasted the secretary and the president's policy ...


Then "why" did you post this comment?

would define "the run up to the election" as the several months preceding it. in this cycle, maybe from around july thru nov. you could be a lil more generous if the situation merits it, but an extra year +? try again....


And since you obviously did not bother to even read the article, let me help....
The article was NOT from 3 to 5 years ago! It was from 2006. And according to the article, he plans on running for president! So my comment goes right to your reply about election run-up.
on Jan 16, 2007
The article was NOT from 3 to 5 years ago! It was from 2006. And according to the article, he plans on running for president! So my comment goes right to your reply about election run-up.


i would hardly consider now to be the "run up to the election." if you want to use that misguided and innacurate terminlogy, fine...but google "run up to the election" and see if the pages found talk about events weeks / months before an election, or years. the term itself "run" (as in sprint) "up to" (to the day of) "the election" (self explanatory) tells you that the term means the events right before an election...not 2 years!!! i am being generous in saying several months, but in actuality, the term really means the last few weeks.


so yes, the edwards article is non germaine and irrelevant.

"3 to 5" years ago refferred to the democratic comments made in 2003 and 2005. for accuracy sake, i should have said 2 to 4 years ago...oops...but the point is the same, and it is still correct. none of those democrats made those statements in "the run up to the election" since they made them in years that had no congressional elections. nor is edwards statements, whatever they may be, being made "in a run up to an election."

by ya'll's logic, every single moment is a "run up to an election" ..which is ridiculous nonsense, just political hackery and shameless spin.
on Jan 16, 2007
i would hardly consider now to be the "run up to the election." if you want to use that misguided and innacurate terminlogy, fine...but google "run up to the election" and see if the pages found talk about events weeks / months before an election, or years. the term itself "run" (as in sprint) "up to" (to the day of) "the election" (self explanatory) tells you that the term means the events right before an election...not 2 years!!! i am being generous in saying several months, but in actuality, the term really means the last few weeks.


That tells me nothing. Got any hard evidence?
on Jan 16, 2007
in fact, your article is from december 29th...6 weeks after the congressional elections and virtually 2 years from the next. over a year before the 1st primary...

thus proving the point....

by ya'll's logic, every single moment is a "run up to an election" ..which is ridiculous nonsense, just political hackery and shameless spin.


which was repeating an earlier comment...

by that logic,,,we are always in a "run up to the election" (your term) then as the house is up every 2 years. but unfortunately, the examples you cited were senators, who weren't up for re-election in the next election after the quotes you cite.



bring something relevant to the table or go "buh-bye."


on Jan 16, 2007
That tells me nothing. Got any hard evidence?


again, google the term.
on Jan 16, 2007
n fact, your article is from december 29th...6 weeks after the congressional elections and virtually 2 years from the next. over a year before the 1st primary...

thus proving the point....


Proves nothing. If you had bothered to read it you would have seen it had absolutely nothing to do with congressional elections. And yeah it was from Dec 29th...but the year was 2006. He states he's going to run for "president". Now how does that tie to anything even remotely about congressional elections?
on Jan 16, 2007
you are a joke miler.

it proves that he said nothing in a "run up to any election" which was what was being debated....you just don't get it and i have run out of time and patience where you are concerned...buh-bye!
on Jan 17, 2007
apparantly, some think it's my obligation to go round and round in circles and take the bait of non germaine subjects when the hi-jack attempts are made. they think it is my obligation to then go and research things that are irrelevant or obvious. they offer no proof themselves and just try to distract and distort. and pompously demand that i satsfy all their demands, as if i have the time or interest in humoring them. sometimes i'll play with em, but when fair warning is given, like i give to my children, and it is ignored...i only have one option left. it was exercized after much careful consideration and will be reversed when i feel the childish behavior are realized by the offender.

i used to not believe in blacklisting anyone. but people on this site reccomended the action, and when i did it with mm and baker, afterwards we have found common ground, cooler heads have prevailed and all is well. no, we still don't agree on many issues, but the tone towards me got much more respectful. i also made sure i returned those respectful gestures in kind.

so here, a time out is necessary. just like it is for my children sometimes.

and personal insults, blatant or backhanded won't be tolerated either. if ya wanna insult me on your blog,,,it's your right. but here, no way.
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