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keith schools Bush on Vietnam
Published on November 21, 2006 By Sean Conners aka SConn1 In Current Events
If I tried to write an article on this subject, i'd only end up plagarizing Keith, so i'll just let his words stand...


OLBERMANN: And now as promised the special comment about the president‘s visit to Vietnam. It is a shame and it is embarrassing to us all when President Bush travels 8,000 miles only to wind up avoiding reality again. And it is pathetic to hear the leader of the free world talk so unrealistically about Vietnam, when it was he who permitted the Swift Boating of not one, but two American heroes of that war in consecutive presidential campaigns.

But most importantly, important beyond measure, his avoidance of reality is going to wind up killing more Americans and that is indefensible and fatal. Asked if there were lessons about Iraq to be found in our experience in Vietnam. Mr. Bush said that there were and he immediately proved that he had no clue what they were. One lesson is, he said, that we tend to want there to be instant success in the world and the task in Iraq is going to take a while. We‘ll succeed, the president concluded, unless we quit. If that‘s the lesson about Iraq that Mr. Bush sees in Vietnam then he needs a tutor or we need somebody else making the decisions about Iraq.

Mr. Bush, there are a dozen central lessons to be derived from our nightmare in Vietnam, but we‘ll succeed unless we quit is not one of them. The primary one, which should be as obvious to you as the latest opinion poll showing that only 31 percent of this country agrees with your tragic Iraq policy, is that if you try to pursue a war for which the nation has lost its stomach, you and it are finished, ask Lyndon Johnson.

The second most important lesson of Vietnam, Mr. Bush, if you don‘t have a stable local government to work with, you can keep sending in Americans until hell freezes over and it will not matter. Ask south Vietnam‘s president Diem, or President Tue (ph).

The third vital lesson of Vietnam, Mr. Bush, don‘t pretend it‘s something it‘s not. For decades we were warned that if we didn‘t stop communist aggression in Vietnam, communist agitators would infiltrate and devour the smaller nations of the world and make their insidious way, stealthily, to our doorstep. The war machine of 1968 had this domino theory. Your war machine of 2006 has this nonsense about Iraq as the central front in the war on terror.

The fourth pivotal lesson of Vietnam, Mr. Bush, if the same idiots who told Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon to stay there for the sake of peace with honor are now telling you to stay in Iraq, they‘re probably just as wrong now as they were then, Dr. Kissinger.

And the fifth crucial lesson of Vietnam, Mr. Bush, which somebody should have told you about long before you plunged this country into Iraq is that if you lie us into a war, your war and your presidency will be consigned to the strap heap of history. Consider your fellow Texans sir, after president Kennedy‘s assassination, Lyndon Johnson held the country together after a national tragedy, not unlike you tried to do. He had lofty goals. He tried to reshape society for the better and he is remembered for Vietnam and for the lies he and his government told to get us there and keep us there and for the Americans who needlessly died there. As you Mr. Bush will be remembered for Iraq and for the lies you and your government told to get us there and keep us there and for the Americans who needlessly died there and who will needlessly die there tomorrow.

This president has his fictitious Iraqi W.M.D. and his lies, disguised as subtle hints, linking Saddam Hussein to 9/11, and his reason of the week for keeping us there, when all of the evidence has, for at least three years, told us we needed to get as many of our kids out as quickly as we could. That president had his fictitious attacks on Navy ships in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964 and the next thing any of us knew, the Senate had voted 88-2 to approve the blank check with which Lyndon Johnson paid for our trip into hell.

And yet President Bush just saw the grim reminders of that trip into hell. Of the 58,000 Americans and millions of Vietnamese killed, of the 10,000 civilians there who have been blown up by land mines since we pulled out, of the genocide in the neighboring country of Cambodia, which we triggered. Yet these parallels and these lessons eluded President Bush entirely, and in particular, the one over-arching lesson about Iraq that should have been written everywhere he looked in Vietnam went unseen. We‘ll succeed unless we quit. Mr. Bush, we did quit in Vietnam, a decade later than we should have, 58,000 dead later than we should have, but we finally came to our senses that stable burgeoning vivid country you just saw there is there because we finally had the good sense to declare victory and get out.

The domino theory was nonsense, sir. Our departure from Vietnam emboldened no one. Communism did not spread like a contagion around the world and most importantly, as president Reagan‘s assistant secretary of state Lawrence Korb said on this newscast on Friday, we were only in a position to win the Cold War because we quit in Vietnam. We went home and instead it was the Russians, who learned nothing from Vietnam, and who repeated every one of our mistakes when they went into Afghanistan and alienated their own people and killed their own children and bankrupted their own economy and allowed us to win the Cold War. We awakened so late, but we did awaken.

Finally in Vietnam we learned the lesson. We stopped endlessly squandering lives and treasure and the focus of a nation on an impossible and an irrelevant dream, but you are still doing exactly that tonight in Iraq and these lessons from Vietnam, Mr. Bush, these priceless, transparent lessons, written large, as if across the very sky, are still a mystery to you. We‘ll succeed unless we quit. No, sir, we will succeed against terrorism for our country‘s needs towards binding up the nation‘s wounds when you quit, quit the monumental lie that is our presence in Iraq. And in the interim, Mr. Bush, an American kid will be killed there probably tonight or, if we are lucky, not until tomorrow. And here, sir, endeth the lesson.


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on Nov 27, 2006
I think it's pretty obvious that Newsweek is catering to different audiences, I find it highly interesting that Newsweek seems to think Americans want to hear more celebrity 'news' then world news.

I'm reposting the article here as you may have missed the link provided in my reply #12. It explains where the pictures came from - Newsweek International and how to do it yourself with this month's covers. The embedded links don't transfer over in the abstract I'm providing, but if you follow the link in #12...



All the News Our Tiny Minds Can Manage

Tom Engelhardt

For a little thought experiment, go to the website of Newsweek's international edition. There, running down the left side of the page, are three covers, all the same, for the European, Asian, and Latin American editions of the October 2 issue.

Each has a dramatic shot of a Taliban fighter shouldering an RPG (rocket-propelled grenade). The cover headline is: "Losing Afghanistan," pointing to a devastating piece on our Afghan War by Ron Moreau, Sami Yousafzai, and Michael Hirsh, "The Rise of Jihadistan." which sports this subhead: "Five years after the Afghan invasion, the Taliban are fighting back hard, carving out a sanctuary where they--and Al Qaeda's leaders--can operate freely." The piece begins: "You don't have to drive very far from Kabul these days to find the Taliban." (In fact, the magazine's reporters found a gathering of 100 of them in a village just a two-hour drive south of the Afghan capital.)

Now, go back to the international edition and take another look. Scroll down the page to the cover which doesn't match the others. That's the one for Newsweek's US edition. No Taliban fighter. No RPG. Instead, a photo of an ash-blond woman with three young children dressed in white, one in her arms, and the headline: "My Life in Pictures." The woman turns out to be Annie Liebovitz, photographer of the stars, and the story by Cathleen McGuigan, "Through Her Lens," has this Taliban-free first line: "Annie Leibovitz is tired and nursing a cold, and she' s just flown back to New York on the red-eye from Los Angeles, where she spent two days shooting Angelina Jolie for Vogue."

"The Rise of Jihadism" is still inside, of course; now, a secondary story. After all, Angelina Jolie is ours, while a distant botch of a war in Afghanistan..? As the magazine's editors clearly concluded, while the rest of the world considers the return of the Taliban, let us eat cake.


"...just because you preach to a different choir doesn't mean you are objective, it just means you're making a different pitch." - Bakerstreet

It's interesting you feel the need to say that.



on Nov 27, 2006
Not interesting, I just think that with such slanted perspectives on why those covers are the way they are, it needs to be pointed out that different focus doesn't mean it's not slanted focus. I read the linked article, and it tells me nothing other than Newsweek is playing to particular markets.

I think it is interesting that you'd come to a different conclusion than Newsweek.

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(Link)


I'm betting if you take out waiting areas, schools, and public libraries, time and newsweek wouldn't even be in the top 20.

on Nov 27, 2006
After 35 years, I finally quit wasting my money on Newsweek just last month. Strangely enough, my subscription expired a few months ago but it keeps showing up in my mailbox, destined for the recycle bin.
on Nov 28, 2006


Here's a good example of the American media bubble at work, guess which cover we get?


i saw that story,,amazing
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