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America's Largest 3rd Party, And Most Misunderstood Party
Published on November 1, 2006 By Sean Conners aka SConn1 In US Domestic
Back in the 90's, I found myself disgruntled in the political world. I had registered Republican when I turned 18 in 1985, but over the years it seemed that neither of the 2 parties adequately represented my views. There were things I liked on both sides, but just as much I didn't like. this wasn't all policy based. Both parties had people I liked, and people I didn't. Both parties had members do things I approved of, and just as many who had broken my trust.

Furthermore, both parties just seemed too big for their own britches. Both parties seemed to be more about power and control than looking out for me and my neighbors. I started to consider other options.

I looked at the Greens. They were really enviromentally concious, which I liked, but were just too "left" for me on way too many things. Nice people, and they probably wouldn't be so militant about the environment if people heeded their wise advice more often, but I thought most of em were a little too "conspiracy minded" to be taken too seriously on other issues that mattered to me.

I looked at the new Reform party started by guys like Ross Perot. I liked the idea of some government reform, but they were a little too "right wing authoritarian" for me and a little too eager to kick everyone's ass who disagreed with em for me to join up.

I considered no party affiliation at all, and almost went there, until I looked at the Libertarians a little deeper.

My 1st reaction to the party name was that they were some fruit loops who were anarchists in sheep's clothing. But then I looked further. And in the end, I signed up. Not because I agreed with them on every single thing. But most of their theories held water, at least in broad strokes in my mind. I sitill don't agree with them all the time, and sometimes think they are poor at getting their message out. But to this day, i've never regretted my party choice.

What is a Libertarian? What do they believe? Well, not everyone in any party believes everything on the platform. But their platform is basically about freedom and liberty for everyone. Nice thoughts, huh? But what do they really believe? Maybe this will help explain...

From the Libertarian National Comitee website...

Frequently asked questions about the Libertarian Party



What is a Libertarian?



Libertarians believe that you have the right to live your life as you wish, without the government interfering -- as long as you don’t violate the rights of others. Politically, this means Libertarians favor rolling back the size and cost of government, and eliminating laws that stifle the economy and control people’s personal choices.



Are Libertarians liberal or conservative?



Libertarians are neither. Unlike liberals or conservatives, Libertarians advocate a high degree of both personal and economic liberty. For example, Libertarians agree with conservatives about freedom in economic matters, so we're in favor of lowering taxes, slashing bureaucratic regulation of business, and charitable -- rather than government -- welfare. But Libertarians also agree with liberals on personal tolerance, so we're in favor of people’s right to choose their own personal habits and lifestyles.



In a sense, Libertarians “borrow” from both sides to come up with a logical and consistent whole -- but without the exceptions and broken promises of Republican and Democratic politicians. That's why we call ourselves the Party of Principle.



How large is the Libertarian Party?



By almost every objective measure, the Libertarian Party is the third-largest political party in America. We’re active in all 50 states and have more than 200,000 registered voters, which is more than all other third parties combined.



What kind of offices do Libertarians hold?



Around the USA there are Libertarian mayors, county executives, county council members and even a Libertarian sheriff! Libertarians also serve on school boards and in hundreds of local offices. In 2004 our candidates for U.S. earned over 1 million votes for the third time in a row, which is a feat no other third party has achieved.



These elected Libertarians are already hard at work saving you money and protecting your civil liberties. In fact, Libertarians saved Americans over $2.2 billion in 2004 alone.



What kind of people join the Libertarian Party?



People like you. People who used to be Republicans, Democrats, and independents – from all walks of life. They joined us because they realize that we’re the only political party working for their personal and economic liberty.



Another question we sometimes hear: Is political extremist Lyndon LaRouche in the Libertarian Party? No. LaRouche has never been associated in any way with us. He runs for office as a Democrat.



How can I join the party?



Ask yourself: Is government too big or too small? Are taxes too high or too low? Does the government regulate my business too much or too little? Does the government control my personal life too much or not enough? If you agree, like most Americans, that government is too large, too expensive, and meddles too much, the Libertarian Party is for you!



Now it’s time to take action. Join the Libertarian Party today – and become part of the new choice in American politics!


I couldn't have said it any better myself. I guess that's why I copy/paste'd it, lol. If you want to learn more, check the link below.



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on Nov 03, 2006
If you believe in government control of our excess for the "good" of the poor, then you aren't Libertarian. Period. You may feel more comfortable voting for them, but you can't claim to label yourself with their ethos and still be honest.

then perople who are pro life can't be democrats and pro-choicers like rudy can't be republicans, right?
on Nov 03, 2006
If you believe in government control of our excess for the "good" of the poor


and that is putting words in my mouth and interpreting it your way. i don't see it the same way
on Nov 03, 2006
"then perople who are pro life can't be democrats and pro-choicers like rudy can't be republicans, right?"


Again, you can't tell the difference between a tertiary issue and a fundamental concept. The fundamental concept of Libertarianism that makes them seek drug decriminalization is the SAME one that makes them call for an end to social security, etc. They aren't separate issues, they are just features of the same movement.

There's nothing about being pro-life that goes against the fundamental ethos of the Democratic party. There's nothing about being pro-choice that opposes Republicanism. Being supportive of socialized health care goes against the fundamental, defining characteristic of Libertarianism.
on Nov 03, 2006
There's nothing about being pro-choice that opposes Republicanism.


yes it does,. the republican platform is one of pro life. it is a central plank in their "culture of life" philosophy

on Nov 03, 2006
"Promoting a Culture of Life

As a country, we must keep our pledge to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence. That is why we say the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation to make it clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.

Our goal is to ensure that women with problem pregnancies have the kind of support, material and otherwise, they need for themselves and for their babies, not to be punitive towards those for whose difficult situation we have only compassion. We oppose abortion, but our pro-life agenda does not include punitive action against women who have an abortion. We salute those who provide alternatives to abortion and offer adoption services, and we commend Congressional Republicans for expanding assistance to adopting families and for removing racial barriers to adoption. We join the President in supporting crisis pregnancy programs and parental notification laws. And we applaud President Bush for allowing states to extend health care coverage to unborn children.

We praise the President for his bold leadership in defense of life. We praise him for signing the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. This important legislation ensures that every infant born alive – including an infant who survives an abortion procedure – is considered a person under federal law.

We praise Republicans in Congress for passing, with strong bipartisan support, a ban on the inhumane procedure known as partial birth abortion. And we applaud President Bush for signing legislation outlawing partial birth abortion and for vigorously defending it in the courts. In signing the partial birth abortion ban, President Bush reminded us that “the most basic duty of government is to defend the life of the innocent. Every person, however frail or vulnerable, has a place and a purpose in this world.” We affirm the inherent dignity and worth of all people. We oppose the non-consensual withholding of care or treatment because of disability, age, or infirmity, just as we oppose euthanasia and assisted suicide, which especially endanger the poor and those on the margins of society.

We support President Bush’s decision to restore the Drug Enforcement administration’s policy that controlled substances shall not be used for assisted suicide. We applaud Congressional Republicans for their leadership against those abuses and their pioneering legislation to focus research and treatment resources on the alleviation of pain and the care of terminally ill patients."


I read nothing there that disallows the existence of abortion. I read very little there that even pro-choice people could disagree with. The core issue of GOVERNMENT funding of abortion falls under the general ideal, so sure, if you promote government sponsored or supported abortion you really have no business being a Republican.

Does Rudy support government funded abortion?


Regardless, 'pro-life' isn't what defines the Republican party. The CORE, DEFINING ISSUE that defines Libertarianism is freedom from government control and oversight of our personal life.

on Nov 03, 2006
Here is my take on the Libertarian Party:

Gideon was making me look into the party....you come along, and I don't want anything to do with the party....

I will stick to my conservative side of things....thanks for setting me on the right patch, Conners....
on Nov 03, 2006
"where did i say all those were minor issues? i said taxes have never been a big issue with me, but i didn't say anything about iraq, religion or abortion being minor issues.

show me where i did TOV"


I never said that you said they were minor issues. BakerStreet said them, in this very topic. The exact quote reads:

"The minor issues you cite there are nothing compared to the huge issues core to Libertarianism that you disagree with. Believe what you want, but you remind me a lot of a few other "Libertarians" I've known. They chose that label because it made them seem neutral, so when they tore into one party or the other it wouldn't appear partisan.

So you tear into Republicans, and we're supposed to go "Oh, well, this must be bad. After all he's a neutral third party..." The problem is, you're not. You're no more Libertarian than me, and frankly I know a lot of Republicans that espouse more Libertarian ideals than you do.

Call yourself what you want, but I'm not buying your suggestion that you aren't partisan. You're most certainly Dem-oriented politically."
on Nov 03, 2006
tov...just cause he said it? lame

have a nice day:)
on Nov 03, 2006
read nothing there that disallows the existence of abortion


how bout this?

from your quote ,,,We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation to make it clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.


sounds like they wanna outlaw abortion to me.

and if you don't think that's a core value of being a republican, you're nuts.
on Nov 03, 2006
tov...just cause he said it? lame

have a nice day:)


You are misinterpreting me. I was being sacrastic when I said that. Of course those things are not "minor issues." I was poking fun at BakerStreet for saying that they were. In short, I was trying, in some small way, to defend you. But it all backfired horribly.
on Nov 06, 2006
In short, I was trying, in some small way, to defend you. But it all backfired horribly.

my bad TOV...i missed the sarcasm,. you have my apologies and thanks for the defense.
on Nov 08, 2006
It is not entirely your fault. I pulled off the sarcasm very badly. I should have written it better.
on Nov 08, 2006
Sorry Sean, from your own admissions, you are not a libertarian. You would rather see the government take care of as many people as it needs to. I guess the idea of helping them without government escaped you completely.
on Nov 08, 2006
Sorry Sean, from your own admissions, you are not a libertarian.


yes i am, and there is nothing you can say or do to change that. the attempts at selectively picking 2 issues where i see more practical and kinder human solutions, at least in the short term doesn't take away where i agree with the party on so many other things.

people have skewed my willingness on healthcare, esp for our children, to do certain things to ensure theri health and wellbeing as an endorsement to every social program.

the libertarian party, on their platform say that they are against any social program. their reasoning is not that they are all bad, it is that , in their opinion, goverment doesn't know where to stop. their scenarios claim that eventually, everyone will expect a goverment handout.

i agree with them on many levels of that. i personally make an exception for our children amd am willing to let ss continue until someone comes up with something other than a handout to wall street.

you and baker can keep squaking, but you are wrong and are just trying to selectively nitpick my words, put words in my mouth and skew how i really feel.

in the end, i'm still a libertarian and there isn't thing 1 ya'll can do about it.

and it has been a real pleasure being a lightning rod. last week, this started as ya'll's damnation of john kerry. by the afternoon, i had ya'll focused on me and my party affiliation. and it continued thru today. thanks!!!! really!!!! it was like shootin fish in a barrel.

have a great day:)
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