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Good lord. I am so sick of this hyper-sensitive race-baiting bullshit. That was not a a racist ad. The giggly woman was to point out that the guy making campaign ads from church pews likes to go to parties at the Playboy mansion. Not that he "like da white wemminz", but that he's presenting a false image of himself.

Actually, I think that all the hubbub from Dem drones is patently racist. What they are saying is that if you are going to pose a woman in an attack ad for a black candidate, she'd better be black. Can't have any of this mixing of races. Who are the ones being racist again?

Ford's family are the Tennessee Kennedy's. He's a loser, frankly, who hasn't done anything substantial so now he has to cry and whine his way through an election. He might win, he might not, but a testament to his value is the fact that in such a race, in such a political climate, it's like flipping a coin.

Actually, I think that all the hubbub from Dem drones is patently racist. What they are saying is that if you are going to pose a woman in an attack ad for a black candidate, she'd better be black.

Oooh! He shoots, he scores! The harpoon is in the whale!

You still are the master of the words Baker! Have a cookie.

The giggly woman was to point out that the guy making campaign ads from church pews likes to go to parties at the Playboy mansion. Not that he "like da white wemminz", but that he's presenting a false image of himself.

He's never even been to the Playboy mansion. He went to a superbowl party, in Jacksonville that was merely sponsored by Playboy. Your statement that he likes to go to parties at the Playboy mansion is inaccurate.

You're a smart guy, and yet fell right for one of the false implications they were making with the ad.

And are you really naive enough to believe that Mehlman & Co. decided on a white woman for the ad for no reason whatsoever? You really think they are above using the race card?

I apologize if what I said was inaccurate. I don't live in TN, though, and I've only seen the clip a couple of times. What I was going on was the discussion I have seen here and among TV pundits, and no one that I have seen so far has made that distinction. Seems an immaterial detail where it was at, anyway.

Re: the white woman thing, why would they? When was the last time you heard anyone in the MSM or anywhere else rail against a black man and a white woman being linked romantically in a racist way? Hmm? When?

If it was a Dem ad you'd be sitting there asking me why I assume they did, so why do you assume? If there were some issue with people saying it, maybe I could see that, but to me this is like you getting mad at someone for associating a candidate with Jews, because secretly we all supposedly hate Jews...

Actually, I think that all the hubbub from Dem drones is patently racist. What they are saying is that if you are going to pose a woman in an attack ad for a black candidate, she'd better be black. Can't have any of this mixing of races. Who are the ones being racist again?

it was not only that she was white, she was naked, at least that was the impression delivered (tell me if you see any clothing on her)

if you don't think that gets the good ol boys goat, you are fooling yourself, imho.

as far as ford being a "loser" i disagree. he has run successful campaigns in the past (he did win his race for congress and all) and by most accounts, including conservative ones, the only reason he is even in this race is because of how good a campaign he has run.

and i hope you aren't doin "guilt by association" there where you call him a loser and compare him to kennedy's, implying the "family connection."

Re: the white woman thing, why would they? When was the last time you heard anyone in the MSM or anywhere else rail against a black man and a white woman being linked romantically in a racist way? Hmm? When?

cmon baker,,,you know as well as i that white women / black men are a taboo in many places and circles. and it's not the liberal ones. acting like no one ever questions those relationships is a bit disingenuous. people are smart enough not to cause riots with expressing their disdain with white women and black men, but i've heard it whispered in the shadows enough to know how people feel.

The Klan raped Black women, lynched Black men, and terrorized Black communities. Propaganda was spread that all Black men were potential rapists, all white women potential victims. The results and legacy of such hatred were vicious. Thousands of Black men were lynched between Emancipation and World War II, with the false charge of rape a common accusation. The rape of a Black woman was not even considered a crime, Rape laws made rape a capital offense only for a Black man found guilty of raping a white woman. [/I]even when it became officially illegal.(1)


In years past far too many authorities routinely laughed off, victim blamed, or simply turned a blind eye to the cry of rape, the only exception to that was when a white woman fingerpoints a black man as the assailant. During that time, much of the media and the courts magnified and sensationalized crimes by black men against white women while white men that victimized black women waltzed away scot free.

just a couple of quotes i found after googling for 1 minute

She's standing out on the street, I think the assumption by anyone would be that she has clothes on. As for what is "whispered", it sounds a lot more like paranoia. Anyone that racist wouldn't be voting for a black man anyway, would they?

"and i hope you aren't doin "guilt by association" there where you call him a loser and compare him to kennedy's, implying the "family connection."

I think it is a valid concern for anyone. We have political dynasties in American politics, and these kids are expected to follow in the footsteps. Do you really think we've seen so many Kennedys, or Daleys, or other children of other political families (even Bush) dabble in politics since JFK because they were really interested in it?

Hell no. I don't think someone is qualified to be in politics because he is a Kennedy any more than preachers' kids are naturally qualified to be clergy. Yet, people see that Kennedy name and bang out their vote. It's silly, and its sad, and jabbing it is a good thing to do if it makes people think about why they are doing it.

The Klan raped Black women, lynched Black men, and terrorized Black communities. Propaganda was spread that all Black men were potential rapists, all white women potential victims.

The clan, founded by Democrats and for most of its history made up almost entirely of Democrats. That clan?

What I was going on was the discussion I have seen here and among TV pundits, and no one that I have seen so far has made that distinction. Seems an immaterial detail where it was at, anyway.

I don't think making that distincion is immaterial at all. The Playboy mansion is a symbol of decadence and debauchery. This was one of the many big parties that goes on during superbowl week every year, which are filled with celebs and VIP's from all over the world.

The fact is, the whole issue should be immaterial. As he readily admits, he likes football and women. What's the harm in that?

"The Klan raped Black women, lynched Black men, and terrorized Black communities. Propaganda was spread that all Black men were potential rapists, all white women potential victims."

And according to George Jefferson Lionel was marrying a zebra, the child of an 'oreo' couple. There's nothing 'white' about bias against interracial relationships. The "guess who's coming to dinner" thing is universal. Any white racist who wouldn't vote for Ford because of an association with a white woman wouldn't vote for a black man anyway.

"I don't think making that distincion is immaterial at all. The Playboy mansion is a symbol of decadence and debauchery. This was one of the many big parties that goes on during superbowl week every year, which are filled with celebs and VIP's from all over the world."

I think anyone who would be effected by the Playboy thing wouldn't be impressed that he avoided the symbol and instead used other situations. The money that came from the porn industry is the part of that which people are overlooking. Whether or not he likes playmates isn't as important as whether or not he's accurately representing his values to his constituents.

To me? Nah, isn't a big deal, but to people who were fooled by his commercials where he posed in a church pew? Yeah, I'd say they'd be swayed if they don't blind themselves with all this idiotic racism talk. If they send him there because he's portrayed himself as a family values kind of guy, then they might want to know that he is wined and dined by the porn industry.

Don't even "suggest" this kind of thing in Alabama. That will "still" get you tarred and feathered. And just about any other deep south state.

that was my point. thank you doc:)

The clan, founded by Democrats and for most of its history made up almost entirely of Democrats. That clan?

comparing post civil war democrats to today is kinda silly. everyone knows the party transformed in the late 50's and early 60's and led the civil rights movement. that's when the old school racists like strom and trent left the party and the blacks joined. the orig. klasmen were angry young white guys in the south that just had their labor force liberated and were going broke. it wasn't about party affiliation, it was about being white and angry in the south. the south was at war with the north up until the founding, of course they weren't gonna be in the party that they were at war with and blamed for the loss of their labor force.

if ya wanna get technical, sure, there were lots of kkk guys who were also democrats. but in reality, it's a distortion to compare the party today and the party back then.

comparing post civil war democrats to today is kinda silly. everyone knows the party transformed in the late 50's and early 60's and led the civil rights movement.

Which is "exactly" when the KKK was at it's strongest. It may have been started by a bunch of different democrats. But in the 60's they were still democrats and "still" doing all sort of ugly things.

klasmen were angry young white guys in the south that just had their labor force liberated and were going broke.

Your incorrect here also. The "skinheads" which are the angry young white guys you talk about, didn't start till the 80's and 90's.